There are many ways to be unspirited. Some of them bug me more than others.
This one is fairly self explanatory. A player calls "foul" and their opponent immediately calls "contest". One player tries to explain what they think just happened. The other is already sending the disc back to the thrower (or asking for the disc back if they are the thrower); they're not listening. This gives the impression to me that they're only making or contesting the call to advantage their team, rather than fully considering the play in question.
Breaking other rules, like for instance fouling somebody, can be seen as purely accidental. But refusing to engage in a discussion seems a less accidental way of breaking the rules. And it bugs me.
The rule:
"1.3. ... players must:...
1.3.4. explain their viewpoint clearly and briefly;
1.3.5. allow opponents a reasonable chance to speak;..."
If you think you're right, okay. Tell the other player why. They might retract the call.
If you just want to gain an unfair advantage, well, the rules are such that you can do that, but please humour them. Pretend it's the scenario where you honestly think you're right. Let the other player explain their point of view and then choose one detail that you can say you saw differently. Contest the call based on that. People will think you're more spirited.
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4 years ago
While I haven't played a huge amount of high level Ultimate compared to yourself, I find that if the thrower calls a foul that they are more likely to retract it if you don't give them back the disc straight away and force them to talk things out (and get used to the fact that the disc isn't in their hands). I think the same happens for most fouls called by the offensive team, don't give them back the disc until the stuff is resolved. Have you noticed this?
ReplyDeleteThere probably is something in what you're saying (like some sort of psychology, i don't know).
ReplyDeleteEither way, I would consider it good manners to leave the disc where it is until any discussion has happened. If the outcome of the discussion is a turnover, then the turnover location is where the disc came to rest.
Picking the disc up, and losing it's exact place implies that the disc staying there is out of the question. It's like saying you'll not be entering into any discussion on the matter!
interesting argument popped up on Monday, had to check the rules after and I was very surprised to learn that you can call a marking infraction (contact, disc space etc) as anyone on the infracted team, not just as the thrower. Seems a lot to expect the marker to have to be paying attention to I think.
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yeah...sure does. Be sure to call it really loud, eh!
ReplyDelete...ever tried it out? did they hear it?
only happened for the first time that I saw on Monday. The person on the force didn't hear it and nor did the thrower so it ended in a contested stall out
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